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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 6, 2008 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 100 shows: my question is...

Thanks; interesting stuff.

We determined that a "download" = streaming, right? IE, for shows that are stream only...Thus, what we have is evidence for how often folks "listen" to a particular show.

I suppose what we need to know is, how many folks repeatedly stream rather than obtain the show one way or another, and only "download" "once" (EG, the AUD shows where a download could mean a download, or just a stream?).

I, for one, never "stream" shows simply because I don't have the ability to listen to it "properly" (IE, either headphones, or connections via computer to stereo, etc.). I always get them some other way, and play them in the car/stereo/etc, the old fashioned way.

So, are there folks that "stream only" and thus might repeatedly listen to shows again and again? EG, I am under the impression that SDH does this more often than not. Thus, have 79-82 been "downloaded" to a far greater degree than otherwise because of his love of this period? If I could only stream, I can assure you 68 would register far higher on the list since I have played some shows literally hundreds of times in the past few yrs...

Just curious.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jul 7, 2008 7:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 100 shows: my question is...

Only noticed being "called out" this AM. Over and over? Well, now that you mention it this might indeed be the case. Recently, however, I find more and more of my streaming focused on Anniversary and newly uploaded shows: shows I have never heard before or what seem to be upgrades to others I have or have been looking for. The focus on the recently uploaded shows does result in a rather heavy leaning towards shows 1976 and onwards. If my calling out of certain shows then leads to that show getting a rush of "downloads" (streaming), I can only say that when others recommend earlier shows, I do take a listen as well. My seeming focus on the middle years is only because I feel there are those who are better versed to handle those (same with the later years, as with the exception of a few shows, I just can't get myself to really get into). Also, like a few others here, I try to dig up the new MOTB releases since they are open to dwnld as well as streaming.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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Poster: DireWharf Date: Jul 7, 2008 12:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Download counts

The download count is mysterious. Here's a new DTS 5.1 source that doesn't appear to be downloadable or streamable, but the page says it's been downloaded 128 times.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 7, 2008 12:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The question of downloads

Greetings, friend Tell. I too have puzzled over what actually constitutes a 'download'.

The best I can come up with, put together from comments in various fora by people such as Brewster, who you would assume to be 'in the know' is this: whenever you click on *anything* within a page it registers as a download. If you actually download a file to your computer that, obviously, is a download. It is not necessary to download a whole show to register a download. Even if you only open the text file and listen to no music it still counts as a download. If you stream via the flash player that's a download too, even if you don't like what you hear and bail out after a couple of minutes. Now, crucially, according to Brad LeBlanc, if you download more than one file during a visit to a page the download count for your visit will not advance - it will still be registered as one. And Brewster said: 'duplicates of different kinds are filtered so that one person downloading materials from one item are only counted once'. Whether or not this means that you don't get counted on subsequent visits to a page I really don't know.

All in all I'd say that what it comes down to is that the download counter should just be looked on as a bit of fun and not as an accurate indicator of a show's 'popularity'.

I'm still not entirely sure myself but I hope that helps a little.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Jul 6, 2008 10:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 100 shows: my question is...

Yeah, there are many reasons these usage statistics would be somewhat flawed. But they do demonstrate which pages at LMA are the most popular, much as the surveys at Deadbase.com reveal the most popular shows in the pre-Internet era (at least, among 200 Deadbase respondents -- http://www.deadbase.com/feed1/feed1_results.html and http://www.deadbase.com/feed2/feed2_results.html). And the LMA usage stats are a much larger sample than the Deadbase surveys from 10 and 15 years ago.

I find this a useful way to ferret out good shows that I've missed so far, and I can only imagine the daunting task faced by new fans who come upon the Archive for the first time.

Still love to stumble upon sleepers and hidden gems, and to hear about other people's favorites, too, of course. :-)

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Poster: Show Companion Date: Jul 6, 2008 10:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 100 shows: my question is...

Thank you for the info-links. I got good use from them.

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Poster: ganges Date: Jul 6, 2008 11:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 100 shows: my question is...

Thanks a lot for these Deadbase links, I hadn't been there before.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 6, 2008 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 100 shows: my question is...

Hey WT,

I stream a lot both at work and during groks and will occasionally stream a show several times. I find that streaming is quite useful now that my primary way of acquiring shows is bt. Its nice to be able to listen to one before dedicating so much memory and effort (i expand, label and then make mp3s for ipod listening for shows that i acquire in shn or flac) for a single show. This is especially true with new releases now that they show up here so soon after release. I still acquire shows but am pretty content with streaming music right now.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 6, 2008 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 100 shows: my question is...

Cool. Yeah, if I knew what I was doing, it would be sorta special to have a laptop hooked up to my stereo, and just "dial in/stream" shows on a regular basis and blast them thru the system. As it is, when I sample a show, I just get a glimpse thru my little PC and then work on the kindness of forumites to obtain it...though having amassed a huge karmic debt, I have thru this approach more or less rec'd all the shows of "my" period (ie, 68-71), and don't do much else besides "talk about it" and listen to it (ie, not working on expanding the time period other than within 71 [barely 72] that I am unfamiliar with) or best of all, awaiting the next commercial release (which of late, helped immensely with 71).

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Jul 7, 2008 6:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: WT...

send me a note at miedmonds at yahoodotcom and I may be able to help you out

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